Comments on: Jumbo: what really happened

By: letitfly

letitfly — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:24:08 +0000

Approved…

= EAO certificate
= CORE

Now what we are told is it needs the Master Development Agreement signed with the province. Then it can be built…

…enlightened yet?

Now could you explain this to me; you wrote,

“The residents of the area deserve final say in this discussion and the government seems perfectly prepared to ignore that fact.”

Two responses:

1) This is crown land and theat means that the whole province has a say in its use. They have the “final say”, by way of their elected officials – ie. the BC Gov’t. (Can’t wait for your response…)

2) CORE was made up of locals and they approved Jumbo by a vote of 18-4. Was it a unanimous vote for or against you were looking for?

What evidence is there of massive opposition? None – 18 years for opponents to come up with it and all we got was 2000 worldwide signatures. Which they used to argue for the Resort to be killed.

Now isn’t that strange? They wanted the government to kill it based on non-local signatures? What happened to the keep the decision local idea they had?

I can go on but – back to you…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:31:42 +0000

Hey, letitfly, the post had nothing to do with whether Jumbo is a good idea or not. It was about the warped concept that somehow big businesses are model philanthropists, which obviously, they are not.

In any case, seeing as how you state that Jumbo has been approved would you be so kind as to enlighten us why it isn’t being built.

By: letitfly

letitfly — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:32:35 +0000

hey anonymous,

i guess it’s back to communism then…

the EAO review stated that Jumbo was in the public’s interest…

CORE, ie. the locals, stated that Jumbo would be a very good use of part of the Jumbo Valley…

Hardly just “giving them whatever they want”…

It’s arguments like yours that allowed Jumbo to be approved…

They were baseless…blame yourselves.

By: Ian McKenzie

Ian McKenzie — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:23:11 +0000

Hey Bob,

I wonder which Bob this is…

Same old arguments that were debunked…

Same old insults…

Are these the values opponents are trying to uphold…

They demand answers of the proponent and he answered through years and years of reviews…and never offer anything in return…for 14 years I have asked what, if not Jumbo, will support families and taxes that pay for parks, health,etc …

The opponents attempted to cheat during the reviews when their moles in the MOE were caught faking Grizzly density maps…They were caught trying to “stall the project until the proponent gave up”…

They threatened 90% of the local small business owners with a boycott if they supported the proposal…

In every election since Jumbo was first proposed the pro Jumbo candidate won the local areas…

There is no MASSIVE opposition – despite all the lies – such as the one that the resort would be “bigger than the city of Nelson”…

By: david

david — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:22:12 +0000

Glad to see you are going to support my ski school set up in Jumbo Resort business community where I am employing so many people that want to learn to ski the glaciers.
Glad to see you too, Mi Kai will attend our hiking classes to ensure that you won’t fall into the fear of the grizzly that did not exist in the valley due to the hunters that can no longer hunt in the valley.
Glad to see you too MK will support small business and our employees and our wildlife.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:20:35 +0000

Speaking of “sing song bums”, what about that wonderful Celgar refusing to pay its taxes? Oh yeah what about those other philanthropic companies getting big bailouts at taxpayers expense? GM? Hey, maybe I can refuse to pay my taxes too and get some sort of bailout just because things aren’t going so well right now. Oh well, I guess I can just rest assured that those for profit businesses are for the greater good and we should just give them whatever they need. We can all dig a little deeper into our pockets to help them out.

By: Mi Kai Lee

Mi Kai Lee — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:23:28 +0000

David — You are wrong. That just goes to prove that you should not try to stereotype people you don’t even know. I do not fit neatly into any of the boxes you have named above. Sorry…

If there were more articles on this site about local small businesses, family businesses, self-employment, self-reliance and the like you would quickly see my pragmatic side and my support of (small, local, responsible) business.

By: david

david — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:56:26 +0000

Mi Kai, again, you missed the point. Your words and your actions prove you to be a socialist in spite of your self denial.
Pragmatist, definitely not, complainer, yes. You appear to be the quintessential glass 3/4 empty type of person rather than half full.
To run down business folks, to continually run down the government of the moment, to run down every system in our society; well, that is your choice in how you want to view life and society.
I like many others I would imagine, am glad I don’t live in your shoes.
I would far rather work from within for the betterment of society. I would far rather help my neighbour both as an individual, as a business owner, and as a recipient of society’s systems with all it’s good and all it’s warts.
I, like so many other ” workers”, senior citizens, business folk, students and nurses recognize that positive can be accomplished by actually being involved for both through personal and societal benefits rather than by standing on the side lines calling every thing down and trying to convince themselves that they are only pragmatic.
Again and from my opening comment: ” Your words and your actions prove you to be a socialist inspite of your self denial.”

By: Not gunna say!

Not gunna say! — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:15:17 +0000

Very well put David!

Why is earning a honest living such an awful and horrific proposition to you twisted socialists? I like to call it ‘green’ with envy…you are so bent out of shape that someone has made something useful out of their working lives that you apply trumped up ‘eco’ BS to numb your pain! Its disgraceful. Its unnecessary. Its offensive and this and all of your weak twisted views to this end are the fruits of a poorly orchestrated and very, very week opposing argument!

Mi Kai…there are industrialists out there that would sell the last living tree on earth to turn a buck…very true! But to assume that everyone who has the ambition to operate a business that, God forbid, is economically viable is short sighted at best and just plain messed up and stupid at worst. Pull your head from the ground and realize that the vast majority of for profit businesses operate for the greater good of the general population.

A thought to ponder: many large thriving businesses were once rooted in our communities; small independent businesses opened and operated by folks like you and me. Through good business practices and an ounce of motivation they became large and thriving. According to you and the rest of your oh so hard done by cronies, at what point do we turn our backs on these hard working neighbors and label them as perverse as a reward for their community spirit and hard work??

Another thought: when was the last time one of you basement blogging hippies practiced any level of significant philanthropy? Big businesses do it every day..it is yet one more way the evil can walk guilt free amongst the masses…or dare I say, one more way they benefit the community in a way you sing song bums could never hope to.

By: Mi Kai Lee

Mi Kai Lee — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:12:51 +0000

David, there are businesses that are good for society, and there are businesses that are bad for society. To generalize, small locally owned and run businesses are good and international corporate monopolies who put profits over everything are bad, with a wide range in between.

Yeh, you put your socks on like I do, but you dance in them to a different drummer. Mine is not capitalism, nor is it socialism. It is pragmatism and common sense – for all, not just a few.