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		<title>By: Jumbo Jim</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Jumbo Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumbo will do what??? Please look at the results of Ski Areas on Grizzly populations.....Lets say Lake Louise!!!

The cut out and cleared runs have created such an abundance of habit  that the carrying capacity ot the surrounding area has increased by many times.

This has led to such a high concentration of Grizzlies in a small area  creating social problems within the population. (They are at a point a reduction in numbers would be an actual benifit)

Jumbo supporter?...Me??? not sure.....But lets use the facts properly ,the way they where supposed to be collected ...without bias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumbo will do what??? Please look at the results of Ski Areas on Grizzly populations&#8230;..Lets say Lake Louise!!!</p>
<p>The cut out and cleared runs have created such an abundance of habit  that the carrying capacity ot the surrounding area has increased by many times.</p>
<p>This has led to such a high concentration of Grizzlies in a small area  creating social problems within the population. (They are at a point a reduction in numbers would be an actual benifit)</p>
<p>Jumbo supporter?&#8230;Me??? not sure&#8230;..But lets use the facts properly ,the way they where supposed to be collected &#8230;without bias</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ski Guide,

If you are a ski guide, why did you choose a life guiding in the mountains?  Why not follow your own advice and work in town in the food industry?  Better hours, less danger, more stability, you can stay close to home and raise a family... heck the benefits go on and on.  I would imagine it is because you wanted a bit of adventure and a view from your workplace that is a bit more spectacular  than a Tim Horton&#039;s counter  (no offense to those that work at Tims).  The right applicant to work at Jumbo will be looking for the same things... a chance to live and work in the high peaks!  WOW, for a young person, what could be better!  Notable people don&#039;t simply look at their life&#039;s experiences as a collection of  various jobs.  They don&#039;t tally their worth by a simple dollar/hour multiplier; but as a collective of great things they have done.   I would bet there are a lot of folks out there that worked a few years at ski resorts in their wild youths that have more than a bag full of great experiences to laugh about.  I&#039;ll also bet ya that not many of them could remember or give a flying crap how much they made per hour.  Valuable?  Priceless!

So while you make an excellent point about the availability of decent paying jobs, I feel your comparison between the inside of a Tim Horton&#039;s to the Jumbo valley lacks a bit of credibility. I&#039;m sure there are lots of management opportunities within many food and beverage franchises that pay much better than a ski guide, but I really doubt that we&#039;ll see any mass exoduses in the next while?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ski Guide,</p>
<p>If you are a ski guide, why did you choose a life guiding in the mountains?  Why not follow your own advice and work in town in the food industry?  Better hours, less danger, more stability, you can stay close to home and raise a family&#8230; heck the benefits go on and on.  I would imagine it is because you wanted a bit of adventure and a view from your workplace that is a bit more spectacular  than a Tim Horton&#8217;s counter  (no offense to those that work at Tims).  The right applicant to work at Jumbo will be looking for the same things&#8230; a chance to live and work in the high peaks!  WOW, for a young person, what could be better!  Notable people don&#8217;t simply look at their life&#8217;s experiences as a collection of  various jobs.  They don&#8217;t tally their worth by a simple dollar/hour multiplier; but as a collective of great things they have done.   I would bet there are a lot of folks out there that worked a few years at ski resorts in their wild youths that have more than a bag full of great experiences to laugh about.  I&#8217;ll also bet ya that not many of them could remember or give a flying crap how much they made per hour.  Valuable?  Priceless!</p>
<p>So while you make an excellent point about the availability of decent paying jobs, I feel your comparison between the inside of a Tim Horton&#8217;s to the Jumbo valley lacks a bit of credibility. I&#8217;m sure there are lots of management opportunities within many food and beverage franchises that pay much better than a ski guide, but I really doubt that we&#8217;ll see any mass exoduses in the next while?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ski Guide, Invermere Girl, Jumbo Skier in no direct order.

There are more bears per ski hill than any other part of the wilderness due to the fact that the vegetation acts as a grazing ground for these omniverous animals.  By the same token, so do clear cut logging operations have high concentrations of blacks and griz in spite of the amount of re planting that occurs.
Minimum wage jobs?  Where have you been for the last 4 or 5 years, certainly not in the Columbia Valley or British Columbia.

Check the stats folks, nobody around here works for minimum wage, at Timmy&#039;s, at lawn and garden work, at ski hills.  Not even cleaning staff at any reputable cleaning company pay minimum wage.

No Kill Greg the Grizzlie?  Then put a gazetted road into Jumbo Glacier Resort and through the entire Toby Creek and Jumbo Valleys and Hillary the Hunter will not be able to shoot from the road;  100 m on both sides of the road.  For those of us that are aged challenged - it&#039;s 330 feet on both sides of the road is a no kill zone.  Sorry Hillary the Hunter but your days of blowing away Bambie&#039;s brains are fast decreasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ski Guide, Invermere Girl, Jumbo Skier in no direct order.</p>
<p>There are more bears per ski hill than any other part of the wilderness due to the fact that the vegetation acts as a grazing ground for these omniverous animals.  By the same token, so do clear cut logging operations have high concentrations of blacks and griz in spite of the amount of re planting that occurs.<br />
Minimum wage jobs?  Where have you been for the last 4 or 5 years, certainly not in the Columbia Valley or British Columbia.</p>
<p>Check the stats folks, nobody around here works for minimum wage, at Timmy&#8217;s, at lawn and garden work, at ski hills.  Not even cleaning staff at any reputable cleaning company pay minimum wage.</p>
<p>No Kill Greg the Grizzlie?  Then put a gazetted road into Jumbo Glacier Resort and through the entire Toby Creek and Jumbo Valleys and Hillary the Hunter will not be able to shoot from the road;  100 m on both sides of the road.  For those of us that are aged challenged &#8211; it&#8217;s 330 feet on both sides of the road is a no kill zone.  Sorry Hillary the Hunter but your days of blowing away Bambie&#8217;s brains are fast decreasing.</p>
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		<title>By: letitfly</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>letitfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumbo Glacier Resort (JGR) is a way to create more and more jobs with a fixed amount of natural resources.  JGR could be an island of development while allowing a sea of wilderness to be left untouched.

Each year Whistler creates 1 billion $ of economic activity for BC. How many trees and logging roads in pristine bear habitat would have to be logged to create a billion dollars of revenue for BC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumbo Glacier Resort (JGR) is a way to create more and more jobs with a fixed amount of natural resources.  JGR could be an island of development while allowing a sea of wilderness to be left untouched.</p>
<p>Each year Whistler creates 1 billion $ of economic activity for BC. How many trees and logging roads in pristine bear habitat would have to be logged to create a billion dollars of revenue for BC?</p>
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		<title>By: letitfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>letitfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>far  more skiers die touring each winter then in bounds at ski resorts...Jumbo&#039;s glaciers will last 100 years and if they go sooner - then Fernie will be shut down to skiing first. Then there is the fact that Jumbo can survive as a winter ski hill and a summer sight seeing facility. Very few ski resorts have that synergy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>far  more skiers die touring each winter then in bounds at ski resorts&#8230;Jumbo&#8217;s glaciers will last 100 years and if they go sooner &#8211; then Fernie will be shut down to skiing first. Then there is the fact that Jumbo can survive as a winter ski hill and a summer sight seeing facility. Very few ski resorts have that synergy.</p>
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		<title>By: letitfly</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>letitfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use it for free is so far from the truth...the local taxpayers pay $250,000 to keep the road open to the Mineral King mine site so millionaire opponents can heli ski and the 17 independant ski tourers can go in once a winter.  Then there is the cost of avalanche training if you guide yourself or $750 a day to heli ski it. Then to top it off there is the dangers of a uncontrolled ski area that it is now...and with Jumbo you can bring a bag lunch just like ski touring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use it for free is so far from the truth&#8230;the local taxpayers pay $250,000 to keep the road open to the Mineral King mine site so millionaire opponents can heli ski and the 17 independant ski tourers can go in once a winter.  Then there is the cost of avalanche training if you guide yourself or $750 a day to heli ski it. Then to top it off there is the dangers of a uncontrolled ski area that it is now&#8230;and with Jumbo you can bring a bag lunch just like ski touring.</p>
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		<title>By: letitfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>letitfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forestry workers - who have almost no work right now - travel 1-2 hours to any job site then work 8-10 hours in the bush. If unemployment stays high even forestry workers salaries will plummet. To say ski hill jobs are minimum wage is another load of crap...do millwrights, accountants, heavy equipment operators, etc etc make minimum wage? Radium mill closes, pine beetle and a continuous decline in resource jobs are of no concern to JS. Talk about uninformed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forestry workers &#8211; who have almost no work right now &#8211; travel 1-2 hours to any job site then work 8-10 hours in the bush. If unemployment stays high even forestry workers salaries will plummet. To say ski hill jobs are minimum wage is another load of crap&#8230;do millwrights, accountants, heavy equipment operators, etc etc make minimum wage? Radium mill closes, pine beetle and a continuous decline in resource jobs are of no concern to JS. Talk about uninformed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: letitfly</title>
		<link>http://columbiavalleynews.com/2009/05/09/many-nobodies-support-jumbo/comment-page-4/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>letitfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of crap...as it is now the commercial big game hunters are going to kill alot of Grizzlies, Wolves and Badgers. Back up your rhetoric with some facts - for nearly 20 years professional greens tried and failed. Its easy to spout off - hard to show us facts - just ask WildSight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of crap&#8230;as it is now the commercial big game hunters are going to kill alot of Grizzlies, Wolves and Badgers. Back up your rhetoric with some facts &#8211; for nearly 20 years professional greens tried and failed. Its easy to spout off &#8211; hard to show us facts &#8211; just ask WildSight.</p>
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		<title>By: CVNews</title>
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		<dc:creator>CVNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to Ski Guide - Invermere Girl - Jumbo Skier:

We do our best to maintain open and free discussion on our stories and welcome comments from all sides of any issue.

We have approved your comments this time, but in the future please refrain from using multiple names while commenting on the same story. If you have something legitimate to say, there&#039;s no reason why you need 3+ names to do it.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Ski Guide &#8211; Invermere Girl &#8211; Jumbo Skier:</p>
<p>We do our best to maintain open and free discussion on our stories and welcome comments from all sides of any issue.</p>
<p>We have approved your comments this time, but in the future please refrain from using multiple names while commenting on the same story. If you have something legitimate to say, there&#8217;s no reason why you need 3+ names to do it.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ski Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ski Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumbo skier is right.  Also glacier resorts are very dangerous, many people go missing each year.  Jumbo is shrinking alot each year now.  In a few years there wont really be enough ice to ski on anyway.  lol and she is right about the jobs,  Go to Tim Hortins and start at $16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumbo skier is right.  Also glacier resorts are very dangerous, many people go missing each year.  Jumbo is shrinking alot each year now.  In a few years there wont really be enough ice to ski on anyway.  lol and she is right about the jobs,  Go to Tim Hortins and start at $16</p>
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